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by K2 at 2006-02-08 03:27:08
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by A-WING at 2006-02-31 04:33:31
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by apj at 2006-02-27 06:06:27
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\u3000\u591a\u5206\u95a2\u897f\u4eba\u306e\u8840\u304c\u6df7\u3058\u3063\u3066\u3044\u308b\u304b\u3089\u3067\u3057\u3087\u3046\u3002<\/p>\n

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\u300c\u95a2\u897f\u4eba\u304c\u3084\u308a\u3068\u308a\u3059\u308b\u898b\u5408\u3044\u306e\u91e3\u66f8\u306b\u306f\u30dc\u30b1\u304b\u30c4\u30c3\u30b3\u30df\u304b\u306b\u25cb\u3092\u4ed8\u3051\u308b\u6b04\u304c\u3042\u308b\u300d\u3068\u304b\u3044\u308d\u3044\u308d\u5fdc\u7528\u3067\u304d\u305d\u3046\u3067\u3059\u3088\u306d\u3002\u8a66\u3057\u3066\u307f\u3066\u304f\u3060\u3055\u3044\u3002\u95a2\u897f\u4ee5\u5916\u306e\u4eba\u305f\u3061\u3060\u3068\u304b\u306a\u308a\u306e\u78ba\u7387\u3067\u4fe1\u3058\u3066\u304f\u308c\u307e\u3059\u3001\u591a\u5206\u3002<\/p>\n

\u3000\u305d\u3046\u3044\u3048\u3070\u30c9\u30c3\u30ab\u3067\u307f\u305f\u30cd\u30bf\u3067\u3001\u300c\u5927\u962a\u306e\u5c0f\u5b66\u6821\u3067\u306f\u6bce\u671d\u6821\u5ead\u3067\u5150\u7ae5\u304c\u201d\u306a\u3093\u3067\u3084\u306d\u3093\uff01\u201d\u201d\u306a\u3093\u3067\u3084\u306d\u3093\uff01\u201d\u8a00\u3046\u3066\u5343\u672c\u30c4\u30c3\u30b3\u30df\u306e\u7df4\u7fd2\u3092\u3057\u3066\u3044\u308b\u300d\u3066\u306e\u3082\u3042\u3063\u305f\u306a\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by apj at 2006-02-49 06:10:49
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\u3000\u305d\u3046\u3044\u3048\u3070\u3001\u5b50\u4f9b\u306e\u9803\u306b\u3069\u3053\u304b\u304b\u3089\u3059\u308a\u8fbc\u307e\u308c\u305f\u30c7\u30de\u306b\u300c\u6052\u661f\u306f\u3061\u304b\u3061\u304b\u307e\u305f\u305f\u304f\u3051\u3069\u885b\u661f\u306f\u307e\u305f\u305f\u304b\u306a\u3044\u300d\u3066\u306e\u304c\u3042\u3063\u305f\u306a\u3002\u6838\u878d\u5408\u306e\u51fa\u529b\u304c\u305d\u3093\u306a\u306b\u3061\u3089\u3061\u3089\u5909\u308f\u308b\u308f\u3051\u306a\u3044\u3063\u3061\u3085\u30fc\u306d\u3093\u3002\u4e00\u4f53\u8ab0\u304c\u3093\u306a\u3053\u3068\u8a00\u3044\u51fa\u3057\u305f\u3093\u304b\u3044\u306a\u2026\u2026\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by tamtam at 2006-02-39 06:28:39
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\u6052\u661f\u304c\u307e\u305f\u305f\u304f\u306e\u306f\u7a7a\u6c17\u306e\u3086\u3089\u304e\u306e\u305b\u3044\u3067\u661f\u306e\u50cf\u304c\u30b8\u30e3\u30f3\u30d7\u3059\u308b\u304b\u3089\u3067\u3059\u3002\u60d1\u661f\uff08\u885b\u661f\uff09\u306f\u3001\u3042\u308b\u7a0b\u5ea6\u5927\u304d\u3055\u304c\u3042\u308b\u306e\u3067\u30b8\u30e3\u30f3\u30d7\u3057\u3066\u3082\u50cf\u304c\u91cd\u306a\u308b\u306e\u3067\u307e\u305f\u305f\u304d\u307e\u305b\u3093\u304c\u3001\u6052\u661f\u306f\u70b9\u306b\u3057\u304b\u898b\u3048\u306a\u3044\u306e\u3067\u30b8\u30e3\u30f3\u30d7\u3059\u308b\u3068\u307e\u305f\u305f\u304f\u306e\u3067\u3059\u3002\u5f53\u7136\u3001\u6c17\u8c61\u6761\u4ef6\u3067\u5909\u308f\u308a\u307e\u3059\u3002\u201d\u30b7\u30fc\u30a4\u30f3\u30b0\u201d\u3067\u30b0\u30b0\u30ec\u3070\u826f\u3044\u3067\u3057\u3087\u3046\u3002
\u3000\u3068\u3053\u308d\u3067\u3001\u6700\u8fd1\u306f\u3001\u5929\u306e\u5ddd\u3092\u898b\u308b\u3053\u3068\u304c\u307b\u3068\u3093\u3069\u3042\u308a\u307e\u305b\u3093\u3002\u6570\u5e74\u524d\u3001\u30aa\u30fc\u30b9\u30c8\u30e9\u30ea\u30a2\u306e\u30a8\u30a2\u30fc\u30ba\u30ed\u30c3\u30af\u306b\u884c\u3063\u305f\u3068\u304d\u306b\u5929\u306e\u5ddd\u3092\u898b\u305f\u306e\u3067\u3059\u304c\u3001\u898b\u6163\u308c\u305f\u5f62\u3068\u9055\u3046\u306e\u3067\u3001\u7570\u4e16\u754c\u306e\u661f\u7a7a\u3092\u898b\u3066\u3044\u308b\u3088\u3046\u306a\u6c17\u304c\u3057\u307e\u3057\u305f\u3002
\u3000<\/p>\n

\n

by apj at 2006-02-40 07:32:40
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\u3000\u3042\u3001\u60c5\u5831\u3042\u308a\u304c\u3068\u3046\u3054\u3056\u3044\u307e\u3059\u3002\u3042\u308b\u6642\u671f\u304b\u3089\u8fd1\u8996\u304c\u9032\u3093\u3067\u3057\u307e\u3044\u3001\u307e\u305f\u305f\u3044\u3066\u308b\u304b\u3069\u3046\u304b\u4ee5\u524d\u306b\u661f\u306f\u5168\u90e8\u30dc\u30b1\u3066\u898b\u3048\u307e\u3059\u304c\u4f55\u304b\uff1f\u306a\u72b6\u614b\u306b\u306a\u3063\u3066\u3057\u307e\u3063\u305f\u305f\u3081\u3001\u304d\u3061\u3093\u3068\u7a7a\u3092\u898b\u306a\u304f\u306a\u308a\u307e\u3057\u305f\u3002\u3064\u3044\u885b\u661f\u3063\u3066\u66f8\u3044\u3061\u3083\u3044\u307e\u3057\u305f\u304c\u60d1\u661f\u306e\u9593\u9055\u3044\u3067\u3059\u3002\u3053\u3061\u3089\u3082\u3054\u6307\u6458\u3042\u308a\u304c\u3068\u3046\u3054\u3056\u3044\u307e\u3059\u3002\u898b\u3048\u3066\u308b\u5927\u304d\u3055\u3068\u7a7a\u6c17\u306e\u63fa\u3089\u304e\u306e\u5927\u304d\u3055\u306e\u304b\u306d\u3042\u3044\u3067\u3069\u3046\u898b\u3048\u308b\u304b\u304c\u304c\u6c7a\u307e\u308b\u3093\u3067\u3059\u306d\u3002\u7d0d\u5f97\u3067\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

\u3000\u3061\u306a\u307f\u306b\u3001\u8efd\u90e8\u7814\u306e\u4eba\u305f\u3061\u306f\u3001\u5408\u5bbf\u306e\u6642\u3001\u5916\u306b\u3067\u3066\u7a7a\u3092\u898b\u3066\u3001\u6d41\u308c\u661f\u304c\u898b\u3048\u308b\u308b\u5ea6\u306b\u304a\u7d04\u675f\u901a\u308a\u300c\u91d1\u3001\u91d1\u3001\u91d1\u300d\u3068\u53eb\u3073\u5012\u3057\u3066\u304a\u308a\u307e\u3057\u305f\u3002\u30ed\u30de\u30f3\u30c1\u30c3\u30af\u3068\u306f\u307b\u3069\u9060\u3044\u7f60orz\u3002
\u3000\u79c1\u306f\u65e2\u306b\u661f\u3092\u898b\u308b\u306e\u306f\u3042\u304d\u3089\u3081\u3066\u3001\u8c37\u5ddd\u6cbf\u3044\u306b\u86cd\u3092\u63a2\u3057\u3066\u304a\u308a\u307e\u3057\u305f\u3002\u3053\u3063\u3061\u306e\u65b9\u304c\u660e\u308b\u304f\u3066\u898b\u3048\u3084\u3059\u3044\u3057^^;)\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by K2 at 2006-02-42 07:51:42
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

tamtam \u3055\u3093\u3001
>\u7570\u4e16\u754c\u306e\u661f\u7a7a
\u3044\u3044\u3067\u3059\u306d\uff5e\u3001\u7d20\u6575\u306a\u4f53\u9a13\u3067\u3059\u306d\u3002\u898b\u3066\u307f\u305f\u3044\u3002<\/p>\n

apj\u3055\u3093\u3001
>\u6d41\u308c\u661f
\u6d41\u661f\u7fa4\u3092\u898b\u308b\u6642\u306f\u3044\u3064\u3082\u53e3\u304c\u958b\u304d\u3063\u3071\u306a\u3057\u3067\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

\u660e\u65e5\u304b\u3089\u30c4\u30c3\u30b3\u30df\u7df4\u7fd2\u304c\u3093\u3070\u308a\u307e\u3059\u3002
\uff08\u5343\u672c\u304b\uff5e\u3002\u3002\u3002\uff09<\/p>\n

\n

by \u5730\u91ce at 2006-02-21 08:06:21
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\u3054\u3076\u3055\u305f\u3057\u3066\u304a\u308a\u307e\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

\u305d\u308a\u3083\u3041\u307e\u3041\u3001\u524d\u7f6e\u304d\u3068\u3057\u3066\u306e\u300c\u7570\u6027\u4eba\u304c\u5730\u7403\u3092\u898b\u305f\u3089\u300d\u304c\u306a\u3044\u304b\u3089\u3001\u9762\u767d\u3044\u8a71\u306b\u306a\u308b\u308f\u3051\u3067\u3059\u306a\u3002<\/p>\n

\u65e5\u5e38\u751f\u6d3b\u304c\u30cd\u30bf\u3068\u306a\u308b\u306b\u3082\u95a2\u308f\u3089\u305a\u4f55\u6545\u304b\u30dc\u30b1\u3067\u306f\u306a\u3044\uff08\u3080\u3057\u308d\u7a81\u3063\u8fbc\u307f\uff09\u3068\u3044\u3046\u306e\u306f\u3001\u7fa8\u307e\u3057\u3044\u3067\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

\u3064\u3044\u3067\u306b\u30d6\u30ed\u30b0\u65e5\u8a18\u304c\u3044\u3064\u3082\u9762\u767d\u3059\u304e\u3066\u5ac9\u59ac\u3057\u307e\u3059\u3002\uff08\u7206\uff09
\u81ea\u5206\u3082\u3053\u306e\u69d8\u306a\u771f\u9762\u76ee\u306a\u306e\u306b\u9762\u767d\u304f\u3066\u8aad\u3093\u3067\u3044\u3066\u697d\u3057\u3044\u65e5\u8a18\u3092\u66f8\u304d\u305f\u3044\u3082\u306e\u3067\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by \u5317\u6597\u67c4 at 2006-02-34 09:00:34
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\u5b87\u5b99\u4eba\u304c\u5730\u7403\u306e\u5149\u3092\u5206\u5149\u3057\u3066\u307f\u305f\u3089\u3001\u6c34\u9280\u306e\u30b9\u30da\u30af\u30c8\u30eb\u304c\u7121\u8996\u3067\u304d\u306a\u3044\u307b\u3069\u591a\u304f\u3066\u3001\u5730\u7403\u3067\u306f\u6c34\u9280\u3092\u591a\u7528\u3059\u308b\u6587\u660e\u304c\u3042\u308b\u3068\u4e88\u60f3\u3055\u308c\u3066\u3057\u307e\u3063\u305f\u308a\u3059\u308b\u304b\u3082\u3057\u308c\u307e\u305b\u3093\u306d\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by \u306a\u304c\u3074\u3044 at 2006-02-39 03:23:39
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\uff1e\u3082\u3057\u3001\u5b87\u5b99\u4eba\u306e\u5929\u6587\u5b66\u8005\u304c\u5730\u7403\u3092\u89b3\u6e2c\u3057\u305f\u3089\u3001\u4e00\u4f53\u3069\u3046\u3044\u3046\u539f\u7406\u3067\u5149\u3063\u3066\u3044\u308b\u306e\u304b\u4e0d\u601d\u8b70\u304c\u308b\u3060\u308d\u3046<\/p>\n

\u3053\u3086\u8a71\u306f\u5730\u7403\u5916\u77e5\u7684\u751f\u547d\u63a2\u7d22\u306e\u5206\u91ce\u3067\u306f\u6642\u3005\u8a9e\u3089\u308c\u3066\u3044\u308b\u3088\u3046\u3067\u3059\u306d\u3002<\/p>\n

K2\u30af\u30e9\u30b9\u306e\u6587\u660e\u304c\u30c0\u30a4\u30bd\u30f3\u30b9\u30d5\u30a3\u30a2\u306e\u3088\u3046\u306a\u8d85\u5de8\u5927\u69cb\u9020\u7269\u3092\u4f5c\u3063\u3066\u3044\u308c\u3070\u3001\u4e3b\u661f\u306e\u30b9\u30da\u30af\u30c8\u30eb\u306b\u3082\u5f71\u97ff\u3092\u53ca\u307c\u3059\u53ef\u80fd\u6027\u304c\u3042\u308a\u3001\u305d\u3093\u306a\u3082\u306e\u304c\u8fd1\u304f\u306b\u3042\u308c\u3070\u671b\u9060\u93e1\u3067\u8997\u3044\u3066\u5206\u5149\u5b66\u7684\u624b\u6cd5\u3092\u7528\u3044\u308c\u3070\u898b\u3064\u304b\u308b\u306e\u3067\u306f\u306a\u3044\u304b\u3001\u307f\u305f\u3044\u306a\u8b70\u8ad6\u3002<\/p>\n

\u3061\u306a\u307f\u306b\u5730\u7403\u5916\u6587\u660e\u306b\u3064\u3044\u3066\u3001\u305d\u308c\u304c\u6d88\u8cbb\u3059\u308b\u30a8\u30cd\u30eb\u30ae\u30fc\u306e\u91cf\u306b\u3088\u3063\u30663\u6bb5\u968e\u306b\u5206\u3051\u308b\u5206\u985e\u6cd5\u304c\u3042\u308a\u307e\u3059\u3002<\/p>\n

K1\u6587\u660e\uff1a\u60d1\u661f\u898f\u6a21\u306e\u30a8\u30cd\u30eb\u30ae\u30fc\u3092\u5229\u7528\u3057\u3066\u3044\u308b\u6587\u660e\u3002\u5730\u7403\u6587\u660e\u306f\u3053\u306e\u6bb5\u968e\u306b\u3042\u308a\u3001\u3053\u308c\u306f\u306a\u304b\u306a\u304b\u671b\u9060\u93e1\u3067\u306f\u898b\u3064\u3051\u306b\u304f\u3044\u304b\u3082\u3057\u308c\u306a\u3044\u3002
K2\u6587\u660e\uff1a\u6052\u661f\u898f\u6a21\u306e\u30a8\u30cd\u30eb\u30ae\u30fc\u3092\u6d88\u8cbb\u3057\u3066\u3044\u308b\u8d85\u6587\u660e\u3067\u3001\u3053\u308c\u304c\u305d\u3070\u306b\u3044\u308b\u3068\u3001\u5206\u5149\u5b66\u7684\u624b\u6cd5\u3067\u898b\u3064\u3051\u3089\u308c\u308b\u304b\u3082\u3057\u308c\u306a\u3044\u3002
K3\u6587\u660e\uff1a\u9280\u6cb3\u898f\u6a21\u306e\u30a8\u30cd\u30eb\u30ae\u30fc\u3092\u6d88\u8cbb\u3059\u308b\u8d85\u3005\u6587\u660e\u3002\u3053\u308c\u306f\u76f8\u5f53\u96e2\u308c\u3066\u3044\u3066\u3082\u89b3\u6e2c\u306b\u304b\u304b\u308b\u304b\u3082\u77e5\u308c\u306a\u3044\u3002<\/p>\n

\u307e\u3042\u3001\u4eca\u306e\u3068\u3053\u308d\u3001K2\u3082K3\u3082\u898b\u3063\u304b\u3063\u3066\u306f\u3044\u306a\u3044\u3088\u3046\u3067\u3059\u304c\u3002<\/p>\n

\n

by nq at 2006-02-28 05:09:28
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

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by apj at 2006-02-30 07:02:30
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

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by \u30c8\u30b2\u30ca\u30b7\u30c8\u30b2\u30c8\u30b2 at 2006-02-33 10:10:33
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

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\u3000\u300c\u99ac\u9e7f\u304b\u304a\u524d\u3089\uff1f\u300d<\/p>\n

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by \u306a\u304c\u3074\u3044 at 2006-02-47 09:53:47
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

\uff1e\u3000\u300c\u99ac\u9e7f\u304b\u304a\u524d\u3089\uff1f\u300d<\/p>\n

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by hideki at 2007-08-26 09:16:26
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

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\u3000\u300c\u99ac\u9e7f\u304b\u304a\u524d\u3089\uff1f\u300d<\/p>\n

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by Denkou at 2007-08-25 22:30:25
\nRe:\u304a\u661f\u69d8\u304d\u308c\u3044\uff08\u7b11\uff09<\/p>\n

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by apj at 2007-08-25 23:15:25
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by mimon at 2007-08-12 01:58:12
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by apj at 2007-08-32 04:39:32
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